Logbot (May 16 2025 at 20:11): Logbot (May 16 2025 at 20:11):Derek Collison — creator of NATS and Co-founder & CEO of Synadia — joins the show to dive into the origins, design, and evolution of NATS, a high-performance, open-source messaging system built for modern cloud-native systems and part of the CNCF. Derek shares the story behind NATS, what makes it unique, and unpacks the recent tensions between Synadia and the CNCF over the future of the project. :link: https://changelog.fm/641
| Ch | Start | Title | Runs |
|---|---|---|---|
| 01 | 00:00 | This week on The Changelog | 01:06 |
| 02 | 01:07 | Sponsor: Heroku | 03:42 |
| 03 | 04:49 | Start the show! | 01:43 |
| 04 | 06:32 | When did NATS start? | 04:29 |
| 05 | 11:01 | Huge adoption for NATS | 06:05 |
| 06 | 17:06 | Ladybird + Swift | 04:39 |
| 07 | 21:45 | I'm still in the technical trenches of NATS | 01:09 |
| 08 | 22:54 | We should build a business around this | 03:57 |
| 09 | 26:51 | Future of modern distributed systems | 03:00 |
| 10 | 29:51 | Sponsor: Retool | 01:47 |
| 11 | 31:38 | Kerfuffle with CNCF | 06:45 |
| 12 | 38:23 | Was CNCF's blog post a surprise? | 05:35 |
| 13 | 43:58 | How clear were the requirements and expectations? | 11:01 |
| 14 | 54:58 | Did you try to take your ball and go home? | 05:40 |
| 15 | 1:00:39 | Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco | 01:05 |
| 16 | 1:01:44 | Goals for leaving the CNCF hotel? | 06:10 |
| 17 | 1:07:54 | Did NATS turnover the IP and trademark? | 04:37 |
| 18 | 1:12:31 | Did you sign a clear agreement with terms spelled out? | 06:23 |
| 19 | 1:18:55 | Commercial BSL fork vs open core | 04:12 |
| 20 | 1:23:07 | There's SO MUCH nuance in this | 09:54 |
| 21 | 1:33:00 | Rug pull, not cool. No pay, not OK. | 00:54 |
| 22 | 1:33:55 | Closing thoughts and stuff | 02:25 |
Owen Valentine (May 17 2025 at 08:36):This was such a reasoned response and changed a lot of my thoughts about the whole thing. Jury's still out as to who's in the right in which way (and I think the answer is probably both, to varying degrees) but I absolutely appreciate the "why rugpool happening though?" angle. Curious to see where this goes
Nabeel S (May 20 2025 at 21:30):Great episode! The Oxide and Friends folks also had an interesting conversation about NATS and the CNCF recently: https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/shootout-at-the-cncf-corral
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