Logbot (Nov 20 2024 at 19:30): Logbot (Nov 20 2024 at 19:30):Today we're joined by a dynamic duo, Helena Zhang & Tobias Fried, who team up on all sorts of digital passion projects. This includes the wildly popular Phosphor Icons plus their latest joint, Departure Mono, a monospaced pixel font with a lo-fi technical vibe... that both Adam & Jerod are pretty much in love with. We discuss their tastes & inspirations, how they collab, making money on passion projects like these, velvet ropes & so much more. :link: https://changelog.fm/618
| Ch | Start | Title | Runs |
|---|---|---|---|
| 01 | 00:00 | This week on The Changelog | 01:24 |
| 02 | 01:24 | Sponsor: Fly.io | 02:29 |
| 03 | 03:53 | Start the show! | 01:07 |
| 04 | 05:00 | A perfect website | 01:12 |
| 05 | 06:12 | Monospace magic | 02:43 |
| 06 | 08:56 | Adam's font journey | 02:20 |
| 07 | 11:16 | Gushing on the site | 00:57 |
| 08 | 12:13 | Website deep cuts | 02:46 |
| 09 | 14:59 | The sincerest form of... | 00:54 |
| 10 | 15:53 | Retrofuturism | 01:52 |
| 11 | 17:45 | Jerod's font journey | 02:13 |
| 12 | 19:57 | Monospace font nerdery | 04:05 |
| 13 | 24:02 | Font regression testing | 02:55 |
| 14 | 26:57 | Iosevka! | 01:16 |
| 15 | 28:13 | GNU Unifont! | 01:25 |
| 16 | 29:38 | Pixel font nerdery | 01:51 |
| 17 | 31:29 | Adam reads the tea leaves | 02:39 |
| 18 | 34:08 | Severance vibes | 01:06 |
| 19 | 35:13 | Movie trailers aside | 01:05 |
| 20 | 36:19 | Severance no mono?! | 00:54 |
| 21 | 37:13 | Public library terminals | 00:34 |
| 22 | 37:47 | More website details | 03:27 |
| 23 | 41:14 | Adam pokes Jerod | 00:50 |
| 24 | 42:04 | Building the flight deck | 00:45 |
| 25 | 42:49 | Sponsor: Timescale | 02:13 |
| 26 | 45:02 | Sponsor: Wix Studio | 00:53 |
| 27 | 45:56 | Open source? | 00:51 |
| 28 | 46:47 | Donate buttons | 02:25 |
| 29 | 49:11 | Money can ruin passion projects | 01:47 |
| 30 | 50:58 | Font & icon maintenance costs | 03:54 |
| 31 | 54:52 | Gushing on Phosphor's site | 03:36 |
| 32 | 58:28 | Still using IBM Plex Mono? | 01:33 |
| 33 | 1:00:01 | Making money | 01:58 |
| 34 | 1:01:59 | Font Awesome | 02:16 |
| 35 | 1:04:15 | People still buy/sell fonts? | 01:36 |
| 36 | 1:05:52 | Adam stares down imposter syndrome | 01:16 |
| 37 | 1:07:08 | Freedom in giving | 00:55 |
| 38 | 1:08:04 | Sponsor: WorkOS | 02:50 |
| 39 | 1:10:53 | Intangible benefits | 02:43 |
| 40 | 1:13:36 | Client services | 03:55 |
| 41 | 1:17:30 | Client work challenges | 01:25 |
| 42 | 1:18:56 | No gap in their flow | 03:05 |
| 43 | 1:22:00 | The velvet rope | 01:24 |
| 44 | 1:23:24 | One more idea | 01:52 |
| 45 | 1:25:16 | Toby on open source compensation | 07:17 |
| 46 | 1:32:33 | Patreon vs Buy Me a Coffee | 03:42 |
| 47 | 1:36:14 | Iconography streamers | 04:16 |
| 48 | 1:40:30 | Obligatory AI chapter | 03:25 |
| 49 | 1:43:55 | Support your human creators | 01:19 |
| 50 | 1:45:15 | Closing thoughts and stuff | 02:16 |
Jerod Santo (Nov 20 2024 at 19:33):Yo yo yo post your favorite coding (or otherwise) monospace font(s) in this thread :point_down:!
Ron Waldon-Howe (Nov 20 2024 at 22:11):I'm on JetBrains Mono right now, but I used Iosevka for a long time before that, and Fira Code for a long time before that :)
Matthew Sanabria (Nov 20 2024 at 22:44):Berkeley Mono: https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono/
Bought a lifetime license and never looked back. Figured if I'm gonna stare at text all day it better be something I like and consistent across my machines.
AJ Kerrigan (Nov 21 2024 at 02:53):I've been happily using Source Code Pro. Been a while since I really shopped around (at the time I liked Source Code Pro just a bit more than Fira Code). I'm open to giving Departure Mono a shot at least as a terminal font :eyes:, and I'm more in the ligatures-are-a-turnoff camp so not having them is fine by me.
Fershad Irani (Nov 21 2024 at 05:24):"I'm very intuitive and I have no facts."
Saving this for future use.
Dustin (Nov 21 2024 at 08:28):I’m obsessed with the typefaces in iA writer https://github.com/iaolo/iA-Fonts so I use a nerdified version https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts/tree/master/patched-fonts/iA-Writer
Dustin (Nov 21 2024 at 08:29):Not sure what nerd fonts is for but I’ve had some tools mention that the font you use needs to have that.
Jerod Santo (Nov 21 2024 at 17:04):Fershad Irani said:
"I'm very intuitive and I have no facts."
Saving this for future use.
This is the way :sunglasses:
Tim Uckun (Nov 21 2024 at 21:20):I just seem to be using whatever is the default on all my apps. I guess I don't care all that much about the font. Maybe I should care more given I have prism correction in my glasses.
valon-loshaj (Nov 23 2024 at 02:47):loving the departure font. and their micro site is so neat!
Lars Ellingsen (Nov 23 2024 at 02:56):I've been using Jetbrains Mono as well. I'd also buy merch with Departure on it if they made some....
Seeing Berkeley is tempting, don't think I've seen that before :eyes:
James Thurley (Nov 23 2024 at 08:00):I’ve settled on the Hack nerd font for dev. I might try departure on Monday, but as much as I love it I struggle to imagine using it as a daily driver :sweat_smile: It might fit in nicely for a project I’m working on though :thinking:
Ron Waldon-Howe (Nov 23 2024 at 08:02):OOO, I used Hack for ages, another good one
Tim Uckun (Nov 23 2024 at 21:31):I looked at some of these fonts some of them really seem to trigger the prism in my eye, they look kind of "doubled". Does anybody know of fonts created for people with astigmatism or prism of poor vision in general?
Ron Waldon-Howe (Nov 23 2024 at 22:01):My astigmatism is thankfully corrected by my glasses
I've heard of fonts for dyslexia, but not poor vision
Oh, maybe one of the variants of Monaspace is distinct enough in shape?
https://github.com/githubnext/monaspace
I forgot GitHub had their own font
Tim Uckun (Nov 23 2024 at 23:14):Hey here is a fun site. https://www.codingfont.com/
You keep selecting which one you prefer until you arrive at the ultimate font of your dreams. Kind of like sports brackets.
Ron Waldon-Howe (Nov 24 2024 at 04:42):Huh, it says my perfect font is Hack :) However, I also couldn't really tell the difference between the options for the last 7 or so rounds :shrug:
Don MacKinnon (Nov 24 2024 at 18:26):I've been using Fira Code Retina for a few years. The main thing for me is that any code typeface has to have good ligatures. I'm really liking the look of Berkeley Mono, I may have to give that a try.
Ron Waldon-Howe (Nov 24 2024 at 19:00):I love ligatures, but it seems like a lot of people don't like them at all
Tim Uckun (Nov 24 2024 at 20:59):@Ron Waldon-Howe I had the same issue, some of them looked almost exactly the same but if you stare hard enough you'll pick up subtle differences. I also went with the one that looked larger. This was odd to me as they are all supposed to be the same size.
Finally I wonder if I have a built in bias to pick the left side. I found myself preferring the left side more often than the right side.
I might do it again and see if I end up in the same place.
Ron Waldon-Howe (Nov 24 2024 at 21:05):Yeah, personality tests have to produce consistent results if they are any good (glares at Myers Briggs)
Tim Uckun (Nov 25 2024 at 04:03):I went through the process again and got the same results so noto sans mono is the one for me I guess.
James Thurley (Nov 25 2024 at 08:59):I got the font I use... I guess you're quite likely to choose the font you're used to staring at 8 hours per day. There were some interesting fonts in there, like the all caps one, or the one that uses a handwriting style for italics (so for comments).
Jerod Santo (Nov 25 2024 at 17:08):This conversation certainly has me evaluating monospace fonts once again. Departure is too pixel-ly for my coding tastes, even though I love it for websites and other stuff.
Went through the codingfont.com site (very cool, gonna link it up more prominently in News this week (it made the list of links in issue 118) and it landed me on JetBrains Mono.
I'm going to use that for a bit and see if I like it more than Zed's built in Iosevka fork (which I do like as well).
Dustin (Nov 25 2024 at 18:51):Having no idea what coding font was before clicking I was hoping it was a personality test/buzzfeed quiz that matched you to “your” coding font :joy:
Adam Stacoviak (Nov 25 2024 at 19:59):Red Hat Mono won for me...
Jerod Santo (Nov 25 2024 at 20:26):@Dustin not far from it :wink:
Tim Uckun (Nov 25 2024 at 21:17):One thing I noticed what that it doesn't have SF Mono which I was using before in my terminal.
Don MacKinnon (Dec 11 2024 at 21:30):Do Silicon Valley references warrant a ding sound on every mention? If so there was one missed in this episode :stuck_out_tongue:
Jerod Santo (Dec 11 2024 at 22:17):Haha we generally just do the first mention on each episode but I’m not sure how consistent that is!
Adam Stacoviak (Dec 11 2024 at 23:49):Nice. What was the time of it?
Ron Waldon-Howe (Dec 11 2024 at 23:49):Do we need chapter markers for each one? :P
Lars Ellingsen (Dec 11 2024 at 23:53):If anything, I could use more cowbell Silicon Valley references
Don MacKinnon (Dec 11 2024 at 23:54):Adam Stacoviak said:
Nice. What was the time of it?
1:27:38
Ron Waldon-Howe (Dec 11 2024 at 23:58):If AR glasses become an actual thing, I'd love a counter in the top right of my HUD for these Silicon Valley references :P
Adam Stacoviak (Dec 12 2024 at 01:12):Don MacKinnon said:
Adam Stacoviak said:
Nice. What was the time of it?
1:27:38
Oooh, that was subtle ref. I think that one stuck past Jason (the editor).
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