Logbot (May 09 2025 at 20:00): Logbot (May 09 2025 at 20:00):Kaizen 19 has arrived! Gerhard has been laser-focused on making Jerod's pipe dream a reality by putting all of his efforts into Pipely. Has it been a big waste of time or has this epic side quest morphed into a main quest?! :link: https://changelog.am/92
| Ch | Start | Title | Runs |
|---|---|---|---|
| 01 | 00:00 | Let's Kaizen! | 00:38 |
| 02 | 00:38 | Sponsor: Depot | 02:14 |
| 03 | 02:52 | Outages & Friends | 01:54 |
| 04 | 04:46 | Doubling down on Pipely | 01:38 |
| 05 | 06:24 | Clicking around changelog.com | 05:45 |
| 06 | 12:09 | How many GETs are HITs? | 03:01 |
| 07 | 15:10 | Clicking around pipedream.changelog.com | 06:53 |
| 08 | 22:03 | Are we holding it right? | 02:02 |
| 09 | 24:05 | Jerod finds bug #1 | 02:08 |
| 10 | 26:13 | Jerod finds bug #2 | 00:30 |
| 11 | 26:43 | Jerod finds bug #3 | 00:54 |
| 12 | 27:37 | Jerod finds bug #4 | 00:35 |
| 13 | 28:12 | Gerhard broke it! | 00:16 |
| 14 | 28:28 | Sponsor: Heroku | 03:39 |
| 15 | 32:07 | Fixing it | 02:22 |
| 16 | 34:30 | Pipely all over the world | 05:07 |
| 17 | 39:37 | Most requested URL? | 01:13 |
| 18 | 40:50 | Benchmarking the new CDN | 02:58 |
| 19 | 43:48 | Scaling Fly machines | 03:21 |
| 20 | 47:09 | Not benchmarking Bunny | 00:51 |
| 21 | 48:00 | Benchmarking local | 02:45 |
| 22 | 50:46 | Just the tip | 00:24 |
| 23 | 51:09 | VTC (thanks, Pontus!) | 02:02 |
| 24 | 53:12 | We want acceptance tests | 06:23 |
| 25 | 59:34 | Tests for switching CDNs | 05:01 |
| 26 | 1:04:35 | Sponsor: Retool | 03:01 |
| 27 | 1:07:36 | Progressive rollout possibilities | 05:14 |
| 28 | 1:12:50 | Enterprise Varnish | 03:05 |
| 29 | 1:15:55 | Pipely process tree | 01:16 |
| 30 | 1:17:11 | Where Dagger fits in | 01:27 |
| 31 | 1:18:37 | What else is left? | 04:13 |
| 32 | 1:22:50 | We need content purge | 06:48 |
| 33 | 1:29:39 | How big of a list is it? | 04:01 |
| 34 | 1:33:40 | By the next Kaizen?! | 01:38 |
| 35 | 1:35:18 | What changes after launch? | 02:10 |
| 36 | 1:37:28 | Kaizen counter | 01:59 |
| 37 | 1:39:27 | Pipely launch party?! | 01:06 |
| 38 | 1:40:33 | Bye, friends | 00:16 |
| 39 | 1:40:50 | Coming up next | 01:10 |
Joe (May 10 2025 at 02:12):Plane tickets to Denver in July hovering around $200.. ready for the launch party. First ChangelogCon??
Nabeel S (May 10 2025 at 02:54):I can't promise but I'd try to make it :smiley:
Owen Valentine (May 10 2025 at 08:40):I'd love to do a Pipely launch party. Sucks to be part of the "screw these people" part of Trump's world in South Africa :P
Owen Valentine (May 10 2025 at 08:42):Also props for chatting to Synadia this early in the CNCF kerfuffle. Very interested. I liked Oxide and Friends' take on it recently
Andrew O'Brien (May 10 2025 at 15:01):Re, CDN testing: I didn’t get to actually implementing this, but years ago when I want to test how well things like expiring a cached object, change propagation, or edge functions worked in a CDN based system I was evaluating, I looked long at Jepsen.
It’s most known for testing distributed databases and I’ve never seen anyone use it to test a CDN, but IIRC it has a lot of things you’d want baked in like checking to see how long it takes for a write to be reflected in reads and what happens when you try to write while another one is still propagated.
Also, it’s really easy to spin up worldwide distributed test nodes through AWS Marketplace.
Andrew O'Brien (May 10 2025 at 16:18):Of course you’d have to write a little bit of Clojure, but that’s what LLMs are for, right?
Matt Johnson (May 11 2025 at 06:02):I'm interested in joining a Pipely launch party in Denver
Pontus Ullgren (May 11 2025 at 09:28):@Gerhard Puting some things straight regarding Varnish Cache, Varnish Software/Varnish+ and Fastly.
Fasly is not running Varnish+ which is Varnish Softwares product. They have their own fork that they run.
Varnish Software has their enterprise Varnish+ that companies can buy to run their own cdn at scale with alot of features that the community does not want to include.
The interesting thing here, I think, is that Varnish Cache is not under the direct control of Varnish Software. The lead developer, phk, of Varnish Cache is not employed by Varnish Software. VS are a a big contributor but it is not a setup where they 100% control the open source project.
@Adam Stacoviak @Jerod Santo you should get someone from Varnish Software or perhaps phk as a guest on a interview session. I have some contacts with Varnish Software so if you are interested I can check with them if they are interested
Pontus Ullgren (May 11 2025 at 09:34):Also in the episor it sounded like you said that Fastly created Varnish. This is also incorrect, https://www.varnish-software.com/varnish-history/
Jerod Santo (May 11 2025 at 11:40):I was reading the history and the phk connection (or lack thereof) to Varnish Software during the show, but couldn’t get enough of a handle on it all to bring it up with confidence.
I would absolutely love to have phk on the show! What’s the best way to go about that?
Pontus Ullgren (May 11 2025 at 23:01):Sorry was a bit unclear. I know ppl at Varnish Software but I do not know phk. :cry:
Jerod Santo (May 12 2025 at 00:36):That was clear! But my question still stands :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Pontus Ullgren (May 12 2025 at 07:24):He has some contact info on his homepage https://phk.freebsd.dk/
Can also check if someone I know knows him well enough to reach out.
Jim (May 12 2025 at 14:12):I would be interested in the launch party, where's a good place to be on the lookout for the details?
Jerod Santo (May 12 2025 at 15:46):@Jim if you subscribe to Changelog News, there's almost no way you'll miss it.
Gerhard (May 13 2025 at 06:30):@Pontus Ullgren Thank you! I'll make sure to set the record straight next time we record. FTR: https://github.com/thechangelog/changelog.com/discussions/546#discussioncomment-13126967
Jarvis (May 13 2025 at 15:59):$100 bucks for flights from Minneapolis, but I also have a family roadtrip at the end of July.
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Tim Uckun (May 14 2025 at 04:59):I would go the party except that it would cost me an arm and a leg. Also NZ just issued a warning against traveling to the US.
Jeff Henson (May 23 2025 at 17:01):I got behind on listening to this episode but better late than never!
I live in Denver so I would definitely try to make it for a launch party.
BTW, I'm loving the pipely stuff. It's cool getting to hear about how CDNs work.
Don MacKinnon (Jun 09 2025 at 20:47):Lookin forward to seeing folks in Denver!
Last updated: Jun 28 2025 at 14:41 UTC