Stream: interviews

Topic: 634: Leading leaders who lead engineers (remastered)


view this post on Zulip Logbot (Mar 26 2025 at 18:15):

This week we're bringing you a remaster of our epic 2021interview with Lara Hogan -- author of Resilient Management and management coach / trainer for the tech industry.

The majority of our conversation focuses on the four primary hats leaders and managers end up wearing; mentoring, coaching, sponsoring, and delivering feedback. We also talk about knowing when you're ready to lead, empathy and compassion, and learning to lead. :link: https://changelog.fm/634

Ch Start Title Runs
01 00:00 Welcome to The Changelog 01:12
02 01:12 Sponsor: Heroku 02:43
03 03:55 Start the show! 01:22
04 05:17 Mentoring vs sponsoring 02:56
05 08:14 100% sponsorship 02:20
06 10:33 Receiving sponsorship 01:28
07 12:01 More connection 01:04
08 13:04 How Lara learned this stuff 02:36
09 15:40 Lending support 02:03
10 17:43 Shadowing 02:34
11 20:18 Our default approach 00:29
12 20:47 Managing vs leading 05:56
13 26:43 Sponsor: Depot 02:20
14 29:03 The four hats 02:55
15 31:58 Camping out in coaching 02:18
16 34:16 What are you optimizing for? 01:24
17 35:40 What does success look like? 00:42
18 36:22 What's the worst that could happen? 00:33
19 36:55 On coaching athletes 01:39
20 38:34 Giving good feedback 05:16
21 43:50 How Lara learned this stuff (remastered) 02:22
22 46:12 Book recommendations 03:15
23 49:28 Sponsor: Retool 02:57
24 52:25 Engineer to manager 03:17
25 55:42 Try it on 02:38
26 58:21 Do engineers make good managers? 01:17
27 59:38 Celebrate the wins 02:03
28 1:01:41 Lara stories 02:41
29 1:04:22 Manager Voltron 01:38
30 1:06:00 Manager framework 02:15
31 1:08:15 Cogs vs lynch pins 03:25
32 1:11:40 Wrapping up 00:49
33 1:12:29 Closing thoughts 01:50

view this post on Zulip Joe (Mar 27 2025 at 01:55):

Looks like a fun one! Never heard the original episode. Was just talking with s a buddy who’s trying to move into a team lead/manager position. Excited to see what Lara has to say.

view this post on Zulip Jerod Santo (Mar 27 2025 at 13:07):

Same awesome episode new awesome chapters for easy access :sunglasses:

view this post on Zulip valon-loshaj (Mar 27 2025 at 14:00):

awesome episode, definitely should have Lara back on!

reflection…half way through the episode i flashed back to the time i listened to this episode for the first time and realized how much things have changed since that time…almost feels like a parallel universe :grimacing:

view this post on Zulip Don MacKinnon (Mar 27 2025 at 17:41):

Listened to this one last night. Good episode!

view this post on Zulip Lars Ellingsen (Mar 28 2025 at 00:03):

The book is good too! I actually read it before the original episode

view this post on Zulip Joe (Mar 28 2025 at 00:42):

Jerod Santo said:

Same awesome episode new awesome chapters for easy access :sunglasses:

I just wrapped listening to the episode where yall did a deep dive on the making of the podcast. Now I’ll pay closer attention to the chapter titles :smile:

view this post on Zulip Joe (Apr 01 2025 at 17:12):

Loved this quote from Adam on what are you optimizing for:

You have to whittle down to the things that really matter, and you can’t get to the vital few unless you get away with the trivial many… And you can’t do that unless you know what you’re optimizing for.

view this post on Zulip valon-loshaj (Apr 02 2025 at 11:06):

Joe said:

Loved this quote from Adam on what are you optimizing for:

You have to whittle down to the things that really matter, and you can’t get to the vital few unless you get away with the trivial many… And you can’t do that unless you know what you’re optimizing for.

Great perspective. Reminds me of the classic Steve Jobs quote:

“People think focus means saying yes to the thing you've got to focus on. But that's not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are…”


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